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Season 2 | Episode 1 | “The Sweater People” | Aired Sept 9, 2015

Each week, EW Community contributors are chatting about the latest new episode of You’re The Worst. Here are Tamar Barbash and Sundi Rose Holt‘s thoughts on the season 2 premiere, “The Sweater People.”

Tamar: I am so disappointed. There’s always this fear with the second season: It’s going to be difficult to recapture what made the first season magical. And I think what sometimes happens is that in attempting to recreate the greatness, everything gets taken too far.

Sundi: I agree, sort of. But I think this season premiere is strong in its own right, although different in tone from season 1. The volume is turned way up, and the desperation of the characters seems to be more prevalent. I’m trying to assess it on its own merits—instead of comparing it to the first.

Tamar: That’s fair. What I love about Jimmy and Gretchen is that, though they are terrible, there are still pieces of them that feel really relatable. But in this episode, I didn’t find them relatable at all.

Sundi: Jimmy and Gretchen living together changes the tone of the show. It ups the pace so that I can’t fully appreciate their hesitation to commit. Didn’t it feel like they were avoiding their entire situation? But maybe that was a conscious choice on the part of the showrunner.

Tamar: Ending last season with the choice to have Gretchen move in set up a big challenge.

Sundi: I agree… but the original premise was limiting. The show probably couldn’t sustain their dysfunctional courtship for very long. It had to move one way or the other.

Tamar: Absolutely. But this feels even less sustainable.

Sundi: On the other hand, however, they are filling out the supporting characters, so that maybe they can prop up some of the thin moments. Although, for the record, I feel okay about this premiere. I think Stephen Falk had a lot to live up to, and he took the second season in the only logical direction.

Tamar: I love the supporting characters. Edgar was the best part of this premiere in my book. Almost everything else let me down.

Sundi: I feel the same way, but about Lindsay. I LOVE the choice to make her single again, but I’m rooting hard AGAINST a Lindsay/Edgar love story. It will paint them into a corner that I’m not sure they’ll be able to get out of.

Tamar: I agree. I love their budding friendship. I also didn’t totally buy Lindsay’s reaction to the Paul split. I think she felt she should have been the one to leave him, and that her ego is just completely bruised from the way it all went down. But I find it hard to believe that there was ever anything real between them, so a lot of the aftermath feels false.

Sundi: Yes … they are asking us for a fair amount of suspension of disbelief, but that’s almost what’s so charming about his show. It takes everything right up to the edge of what viewers will accept from these characters and stops just short of completely ridiculous. Jimmy’s inflection alone is proof of that.

Tamar: Yes, and that is exactly part of the charm I fell in love with in season 1. Here, it all felt a bit over the top. The core cast members—four out of four—are so fantastic that it makes me want to keep watching even if I was less enthusiastic about this particular episode.

Sundi: I see your point about not completely capturing the magic of the first season yet. They definitely have something to prove at first, but I think it will find its balance.

Tamar: I should say that I have hope it will course correct. I think sometimes this happens where shows jump out to extremes before recalibrating and finding their equilibrium again. I have confidence they’ll get there.

Sundi:. Exactly! What were your fave moments and what did you find to be, well, the worst?

Tamar: I loved Edgar trying to casually find out how Lindsay was doing.

Sundi: And I really appreciated the scene between Lindsay and Gretchen in the diner – where Lindsay is warning her against becoming a sweater person. And she slaps her. Hilarious.

Lindsay warns Gretchen about becoming sweater people on

Tamar: I love the way those two talk to each other in general. There is nothing they can’t say to each other.

Sundi: However, I don’t appreciate the show trying to distance Gretchen and Jimmy from the LA hipster scene. I don’t buy it. On any other night, Jimmy and Gretchen ARE those folks. The show wants us to judge them (like in last season’s “Sunday Funday”) but they don’t acknowledge that our lead characters are them.

Tamar: Maybe that’s the problem I’m having. Who are Jimmy and Gretchen? I’m not sure they’ve totally decided.

Sundi: Exactly. And I assume that the writers want us to sympathize with, or maybe even feel sorry for, this couple, but they aren’t giving us much to relate to. They can only ride the emotionally crippled plot line so far. How sympathetic can we find them when they continue to self-sabotage? But then what would this show be? “You’re the Okayest?”

Tamar: Striking that balance between being the worst and being relatable is definitely the challenge. Last season the issue was their commitment phobia. They need to find a different centerpiece now. You’re in a relationship now. You like each other. Deal.

Sundi: I think this season is going to be about trying to reconcile their commitment issues with their new living situation. But enough with the subterfuge already. Let’s get to it. I want to see Jimmy and Gretchen argue about how to load the dishwasher and putting dirty socks in the hamper.

What’s your wish list for this season?

Tamar: New issues. Jimmy and Gretchen are so different from the couples we’ve seen. I bet their fights could be really interesting. The issues that will arise for them as a couple are so different than the typical couple issues we’re used to seeing on TV.

Sundi: Agreed. I just keep thinking back to the episode where they were each trying to sleep with other people to one-up the other. That dynamic is the heart of this show.

Tamar: Exactly. No other couple would have survived that kind of behavior. They don’t let the stuff that usually bothers people bother them—but what does bother them?

Sundi: I want to see more of Edgar—possibly have him date. But not date Lindsay. And I want to see Jimmy work. It drives me nuts that he never types one word and lives like a rock star. And I want to see more of Sam, Shit Stain and Honey Nuts. They see Gretchen from a different point of view, and I enjoy that change.

Tamar: That was my other pick for favorite scene. I love those three.

Sundi: This show handles them perfectly. It could have easily devolved into a cliche or stereotype, but it works really well.

Tamar: I’d love to see Lindsay find a Jimmy. She is so unique and awesome and obviously wasn’t even close to her real self when she was with Paul. But she’s also not afraid of commitment like Gretchen is, so she has the potential to have a great story with a guy a little more her speed

Sundi: I don’t know. I think Lindsay has her own issues with commitment. Almost like she doesn’t think it’s a real thing. Like a unicorn or a leprechaun. She can believe in it in theory, but when it comes to actually seeing it or holding it, she can’t make it happen.

Tamar: Totally … but getting married didn’t horrify her either. So I can see potential for a love story for her with a guy who really gets her

Sundi: I have high hopes for this season. I think they have a lot to live up to, but I feel confident that it’s gonna happen.

Tamar: Here’s hoping!

Sundi: I can’t wait to get into it this season. It’s going to get real, I’m sure.

You’re the Worst airs on FXX Wednesdays at 10:30/11:30C.

TV Families | EW.com
Mark Harris
February 23, 1990 AT 05:00 AM EST

The Bradys are back, with a passel of 90’s hassles. Do they represent the typical American Family? Did they ever? Who does? Stare and compare!

Kind Of Family
TheBradyBunch 1969-74: Blended
The Bradys 1990-: Enormous
Married…With Children 1987-: Postnuclear
Thirtysomething 1987-: Extended
The Flintstones 1960-66: Modern Stone Age

Family Pet
The Brady Bunch: Tiger
The Bradys: Alice
Married…With Children: Buck
Thirtysomething: Grendel
The Flintstones: Dino

Typical Guest Star
The Brady Bunch: Davey Jones
The Bradys: There’s no room
Married…With Children: Sam Kinison
Thirtysomething: Carly Simon
The Flintstones: Ann Margrock

Expression Of Joy
The Brady Bunch: Groovy!
The Bradys: Ritual hugging
Married…With Children: ”Oh, great.”
Thirtysomething: ”Of course I’m happy for you. Really. But what about me? Why does it always have to be about you?
The Flintstones: ”Yabba-dabba doo

Expression Of Rage

The Brady Bunch: ”Hmmm…”
The Bradys: ”If you back away from something you really want, then you’re a quitter!” (the angriest any Brady has ever been)
Married…With Children: ”Aaagh, God, take me from this miserable life!”
Thirtysomething: ”I’m not angry, OK?”
The Flintstones: ”Willllmaaaa!”

Typical Problem
The Brady Bunch: Marcia and her rival both want to be the prom queen.
The Bradys: Bobby gets paralyzed.
Married…With Children: Al doesn’t buy his family Christmas presents.
Thirtysomething: Nancy gets cancer.
The Flintstones: Fred and Barney are staying out too late.

Typical Solution
The Brady Bunch: The prom committee decides to have two queens.
The Bradys: Bobby gets married.
Married…With Children: They hate him.
Thirtysomething: If only we knew…
The Flintstones: Wilma and Betty decide to follow them.

House Style
The Brady Bunch: Conservative but mod, circa ’69
The Bradys: Conservative but mod, circa ’90
Married…With Children: Roach motel
Thirtysomething: Enviable
The Flintstones: Suburban cave

Clothing Style
The Brady Bunch: Early Osmonds
The Bradys: Made in the USA
Married…With Children: Flammable fabrics
Thirtysomething: Eclectic earth tones; nice ties
The Flintstones: One-piece

Most Annoying Character
The Brady Bunch: Alice’s cousin Emma, the substitute housekeeper (too strict)
The Bradys: Marcia’s husband, Wally (chronically unemployable)
Married…With Children: Steve (supercilious)
Thirtysomething: Ellyn (goes through Hope’s drawers, babbles, changes hairstyle every other week, generally mistreats her friends)
The Flintstones: Mr. Slate (bossy)

Attitude Toward Sex
The Brady Bunch: Never heard of it
The Bradys: Omigod — even Cindy does it!
Married…With Children: Peg: Yes. Al: No.
Thirtysomething: They didn’t get all those kids by accident.
The Flintstones: Prehistoric

How Spouses Fight
The Brady Bunch: They don’t.
The Bradys: Infrequently, but it happens
Married…With Children: Tooth and nail
Thirtysomething: They stop talking
The Flintstones: Fred and Barney go bowling while Wilma and Betty max out their charge cards.

How Kids Get Into Trouble
The Brady Bunch: Greg takes a puff of a cigarette.
The Bradys: Carol’s grandson steals her business cards and sticks them in the spokes of Bobby’s wheelchair.
Married…With Children: By committing felonies
Thirtysomething: Ethan plays with a forbidden toy rocket.
The Flintstones: They don’t.

How They’re Punished

The Brady Bunch: ”It’s not what you did, honey — it’s that you couldn’t come to us.”
The Bradys ”Next time, ask.”
Married…With Children: By the authorities
Thirtysomething: It blows up in his face.
The Flintstones: They’re not.

What Family Does For Fun
The Brady Bunch: Takes special three-part vacations to Hawaii and the Grand Canyon
The Bradys: Has flashbacks
Married…With Children: Exchanges insults
Thirtysomething: Talks
The Flintstones: Attends showings of The Monster at the Bedrock Drive-In

Unsolved Mysteries
The Brady Bunch: How exactly did Carol’s first husband and Mike’s first wife die?
The Bradys: What’s with Marcia’s new face and Bobby’s blonde hair
Married…With Children: What kind of hair spray does Peg use?
Thirtysomething: Why did Nancy take Elliot back? What do Gary and Susanna see in each other?
The Flintstones: How does Barney’s shirt stay on if he has no shoulders? Where do Fred and Wilma plug in their TV?

Worst Behavior
The Brady Bunch: The Brady children once made Alice feel under-appreciated.

The Bradys: Marcia’s son Mickey watches Bobby’s car-crash tape for fun.
Married…With Children: The Bundy’s kill their neighbor’s dog.
Thirtysomething: Elliot has an affair and talks about it.
The Flintstones: Characters don’t wear under-clothes.

Best Reason To Watch
The Brady Bunch: This is what life should be.
The Bradys: They’re all grown-ups now!
Married…With Children: Terry Rakolta hates it.
Thirtysomething (Tie) This is your life. This isn’t your life.
The Flintstones: This is what life might have been.

Best Reason Not To Watch
The Brady Bunch: Blurred vision from rerun overdoses.
The Bradys: You’re all grown-ups now.
Married…With Children: She has a point.
Thirtysomething: After a while, you think it’s real.
The Flintstones: The Simpsons

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