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Season 2 | Episode 22 | “Fun Girl Stuff and Eternal Salvation” | Aired Apr 30, 2015

EW Community contributors are chatting about each new episode of Mom. Here are Tamar Barbash and Sundi Rose Holt‘s thoughts about this week’s season 2 finale, “Fun Girl Stuff and Eternal Salvation.”

Sundi: I’m glad to be back. How do you think this went, as a season finale goes?

Tamar: Overall, I think it was well done, but I have some complaints.

SRH: Let’s start from the beginning. Christy and Bonnie’s bickering is growing a little weary. I wish they would just come out with it already.

TB: It’s interesting, because this was a finale so we won’t see what’s next, but it seemed that conversation at the end was maybe the end of it for now. It felt like a breakthrough.

SRH: Yes … the very beginning of one. This show is notorious for dropping little nuggets and then speeding away from them. All the allusions to their rocky history is a real tease. Wouldn’t you love to see some flashbacks?

TB: Ooh to be honest, I hadn’t thought about it, but now that you mention it … yes!

SRH: I think it could really help give us some context to all the anger. Between Christy and Bonnie, and especially between Christy and her kids.

TB: Anna Faris really knocked that final scene out of the park. My heart really breaks for her about Roscoe.

SRH: Roscoe choosing to live with Baxter was a gut-shot. That is a mother’s worst nightmare.

TB: I loved the point that Bonnie made about how Baxter getting his life together was the root of Roscoe leaving.

SRH: Is that a fair assessment, though?

TB: I thought it was legitimate. Things have never been easy for Roscoe, but as Bonnie said at the meeting, you can’t miss what you never had. Living with Christy has always been hard, but it was also his only option. It’s a game-changer to have a parent who actually has an appealing place to live.

SRH: I can see that. But I guess I can’t remove myself from the mother’s perspective. I didn’t really appreciate the writers paralleling it with Christy’s attempt to move out.

TB: What bothered you?

SRH: It diminished Christy’s experience. The pain Christy was feeling was exponentially worse than Bonnie, in my opinion. It’s the natural order of things for an adult child to move out, but Roscoe choosing Baxter was an acute rejection. One that I think the show should have dwelled on a little longer.

TB: It felt like a pretty organic response to me. There were obviously parallels in both of them leaving, but I didn’t think we were supposed to compare the two.

SRH: I agree, but it stole Christy’s thunder a little.

TB: It made a lot of sense to me that Christy blamed Bonnie for all of it. So much resentment has been building since Bonnie’s relapse.

SRH: Agreed. Sometimes Bonnie can seem flip. We haven’t seen any real contrition from her, and that must be really frustrating for Christy. I’m not sure Bonnie really deserves Christy’s forgiveness. What do you think?

TB: Forgiveness for the last 30 years? That, to me, is the crux of their whole relationship. They’ve come to this place where they live together and work together to take care of the kids, and they’ve reached some kind of equilibrium, but there is SO much under the surface that hasn’t been dealt with. And when they hit snags, like Bonnie’s relapse, it bubbles over.

SRH: I do think Bonnie could be a little more remorseful for the trouble she’s caused with her relapse.

TB: Absolutely. But I think that’s all part of it. She still isn’t totally taking responsibility.

SRH: Do you think that is just part of Bonnie’s character?

TB: Yes. 100 percent.

SRH: Will she ever soften enough to fully take the responsibility?

TB: It probably depends on how much she is able to get away with. Christy is finding her way and learning how to push back a little and ask for what she needs. A large part of the comedy is Bonnie being flip. So it isn’t going to disappear. But she may grow.

SRH: Doesn’t it seem like Bonnie and Christy’s life trajectories are diverging a little? Christy is moving up and on, and Bonnie is regressing.

TB: To be fair, she regressed. Then she regained control. It still remains to be seen where she’s heading. Before the relapse, she was the one that got the job, secured the home. Granted, she lied through her teeth and is totally faking it, but she still pulled through when they needed her.

SRH: Fair point. I think that really speaks to the writer’s commitment to a realistic point of view when it comes to addiction.

TB: Totally. I also love the use of other characters to provide the comedy so that Bonnie and Christy can deal with some more real stuff. Jaime Pressly and Octavia Spencer are a tremendous duo.

SRH: Me too. Although, I will admit I was disappointed when Christy didn’t stay at Jill’s. That would’ve been SO GREAT!!

TB: I agree. I was hoping for that as well. Although it was great to see her at Violet’s. Two things about that: One, my biggest complaint is that we didn’t tie up any of Violet’s loose ends. Two, I was shocked to hear how nasty Gregory was being about Christy.

SRH: It did seem a bit random. Especially since all along he’s been an advocate for Violet reconciling with her family.

TB: Exactly. It made me sad. I actually really liked him, even if I’m a bit skeptical about his relationship with Violet.

SRH: They should have a spin-off. We should start a petition.

TB: Ha! Great idea. Okay, so season 3 hopes and dreams?

SRH: Hopes: more relationship work with Christy and Bonnie. I need them to participate in some talk therapy and do some real healing. I also need one or both of them to get a love interest that isn’t a complete weirdo or who dies as soon as I start to root for him. You?

TB: I like all of that, and I’d also love some focus on Violet. So much of the baggage Christy has from her relationship with Bonnie spills over into her relationship with Violet, and I’d love to see it explored more. In general, I’d like to streamline. There is so much I like about this show, but they are limited in terms of time. I’d love to cut down on some of the extraneous stuff and really hone in on the characters we care about.

SRH: I agree. As much as I love Marjorie, I don’t need her to have a boyfriend, and I really don’t need Regina and Jill to waste precious time bickering over prayer.

TB: There is room for those scenes, especially because they provide a lot of the laughs, but they can definitely be consolidated.

SRH: I’m really looking forward to seeing how the show evolves. In terms of streamlining, it looks like they have streamlined Christy’s family down to just her and Bonnie, so it will be interesting to see what the show looks like as they navigate being two single ladies. Funny that the show is titled “Mom,” and neither of the ladies are doing much mothering right now.

TB: Ahh, I don’t want our conversation to end! I can’t believe this is it for the season.

SRH: It’s been a really good season. In some ways it seems really short, but in others, it seems very long. Twenty-two episodes is a really long season nowadays.

TB: And it’s been consistently good. And funny.

SRH: Yes to that.

TV Families | EW.com
Mark Harris
February 23, 1990 AT 05:00 AM EST

The Bradys are back, with a passel of 90’s hassles. Do they represent the typical American Family? Did they ever? Who does? Stare and compare!

Kind Of Family
TheBradyBunch 1969-74: Blended
The Bradys 1990-: Enormous
Married…With Children 1987-: Postnuclear
Thirtysomething 1987-: Extended
The Flintstones 1960-66: Modern Stone Age

Family Pet
The Brady Bunch: Tiger
The Bradys: Alice
Married…With Children: Buck
Thirtysomething: Grendel
The Flintstones: Dino

Typical Guest Star
The Brady Bunch: Davey Jones
The Bradys: There’s no room
Married…With Children: Sam Kinison
Thirtysomething: Carly Simon
The Flintstones: Ann Margrock

Expression Of Joy
The Brady Bunch: Groovy!
The Bradys: Ritual hugging
Married…With Children: ”Oh, great.”
Thirtysomething: ”Of course I’m happy for you. Really. But what about me? Why does it always have to be about you?
The Flintstones: ”Yabba-dabba doo

Expression Of Rage

The Brady Bunch: ”Hmmm…”
The Bradys: ”If you back away from something you really want, then you’re a quitter!” (the angriest any Brady has ever been)
Married…With Children: ”Aaagh, God, take me from this miserable life!”
Thirtysomething: ”I’m not angry, OK?”
The Flintstones: ”Willllmaaaa!”

Typical Problem
The Brady Bunch: Marcia and her rival both want to be the prom queen.
The Bradys: Bobby gets paralyzed.
Married…With Children: Al doesn’t buy his family Christmas presents.
Thirtysomething: Nancy gets cancer.
The Flintstones: Fred and Barney are staying out too late.

Typical Solution
The Brady Bunch: The prom committee decides to have two queens.
The Bradys: Bobby gets married.
Married…With Children: They hate him.
Thirtysomething: If only we knew…
The Flintstones: Wilma and Betty decide to follow them.

House Style
The Brady Bunch: Conservative but mod, circa ’69
The Bradys: Conservative but mod, circa ’90
Married…With Children: Roach motel
Thirtysomething: Enviable
The Flintstones: Suburban cave

Clothing Style
The Brady Bunch: Early Osmonds
The Bradys: Made in the USA
Married…With Children: Flammable fabrics
Thirtysomething: Eclectic earth tones; nice ties
The Flintstones: One-piece

Most Annoying Character
The Brady Bunch: Alice’s cousin Emma, the substitute housekeeper (too strict)
The Bradys: Marcia’s husband, Wally (chronically unemployable)
Married…With Children: Steve (supercilious)
Thirtysomething: Ellyn (goes through Hope’s drawers, babbles, changes hairstyle every other week, generally mistreats her friends)
The Flintstones: Mr. Slate (bossy)

Attitude Toward Sex
The Brady Bunch: Never heard of it
The Bradys: Omigod — even Cindy does it!
Married…With Children: Peg: Yes. Al: No.
Thirtysomething: They didn’t get all those kids by accident.
The Flintstones: Prehistoric

How Spouses Fight
The Brady Bunch: They don’t.
The Bradys: Infrequently, but it happens
Married…With Children: Tooth and nail
Thirtysomething: They stop talking
The Flintstones: Fred and Barney go bowling while Wilma and Betty max out their charge cards.

How Kids Get Into Trouble
The Brady Bunch: Greg takes a puff of a cigarette.
The Bradys: Carol’s grandson steals her business cards and sticks them in the spokes of Bobby’s wheelchair.
Married…With Children: By committing felonies
Thirtysomething: Ethan plays with a forbidden toy rocket.
The Flintstones: They don’t.

How They’re Punished

The Brady Bunch: ”It’s not what you did, honey — it’s that you couldn’t come to us.”
The Bradys ”Next time, ask.”
Married…With Children: By the authorities
Thirtysomething: It blows up in his face.
The Flintstones: They’re not.

What Family Does For Fun
The Brady Bunch: Takes special three-part vacations to Hawaii and the Grand Canyon
The Bradys: Has flashbacks
Married…With Children: Exchanges insults
Thirtysomething: Talks
The Flintstones: Attends showings of The Monster at the Bedrock Drive-In

Unsolved Mysteries
The Brady Bunch: How exactly did Carol’s first husband and Mike’s first wife die?
The Bradys: What’s with Marcia’s new face and Bobby’s blonde hair
Married…With Children: What kind of hair spray does Peg use?
Thirtysomething: Why did Nancy take Elliot back? What do Gary and Susanna see in each other?
The Flintstones: How does Barney’s shirt stay on if he has no shoulders? Where do Fred and Wilma plug in their TV?

Worst Behavior
The Brady Bunch: The Brady children once made Alice feel under-appreciated.

The Bradys: Marcia’s son Mickey watches Bobby’s car-crash tape for fun.
Married…With Children: The Bundy’s kill their neighbor’s dog.
Thirtysomething: Elliot has an affair and talks about it.
The Flintstones: Characters don’t wear under-clothes.

Best Reason To Watch
The Brady Bunch: This is what life should be.
The Bradys: They’re all grown-ups now!
Married…With Children: Terry Rakolta hates it.
Thirtysomething (Tie) This is your life. This isn’t your life.
The Flintstones: This is what life might have been.

Best Reason Not To Watch
The Brady Bunch: Blurred vision from rerun overdoses.
The Bradys: You’re all grown-ups now.
Married…With Children: She has a point.
Thirtysomething: After a while, you think it’s real.
The Flintstones: The Simpsons

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