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'Hindsight' postmortem: EP Emily Fox dishes on that cliffhanger

As promised, here is the second part of my interview with Hindsight showrunner Emily Fox. She and I take a closer look at that finale, and she helps me work through my emotional hangover.

She talks me through that incredible last series of shots, in which Becca is at her most destitute. Becca is screaming, “I want to go back” and pounding on the elevator. It’s really hard to see Becca so desperate, especially since she’s spent so much time trying to maintain control. It is an elegant, albeit frustrating, way to end the season.

Fox also offers some (much-needed) clarity about Lolly and Becca’s final moments. I can’t understand why Lolly got so upset, and it is unsettling to leave this relationship so unresolved. All along, Lolly has been the advocate for a fluid future, so it caught me off guard to realize she’s not so resolute. Hat tip to Sarah Goldberg. She’s a freaking rockstar.

We also get into the mythology of the show a little bit, although Fox is reluctant to give away too much. Now, Becca believes she’s come back to save her relationship with Lolly, but should I believe that? Fox says I should, so I have to take her word for it, right?

I’ll let her do the telling!

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY COMMUNITY: Let’s talk about the finale. It was a cliffhanger. Why, man? Why would you do that to me?

EMILY FOX: [laughs] I was thinking about you in the editing room. I was like, “How can I piss her off the most?”

Yes. I feel personally victimized by this finale. But, for real: What’s the methodology here?

HA! We were very inspired, when working on the ending, by—and I say this bowing down to the floor in respect—the ending of The Sopranos. That ending was so polarizing, and so many people went insane. I was part of the vocal minority that thought, “That was the greatest thing I’ve ever seen in my life.” I loved it.

I was also a bit inspired by the ending of Kramer vs. Kramer, which is one of my favorite movies. When you see the elevator door closing … you could argue that it was inconclusive, but at the same time, it was the best conclusion of all, because you don’t really know what’s gonna happen. We are still talking about The Sopranos ending.

Six Feet Under is one of the greatest series finales I’ve seen, but that’s the opposite of how they ended The Sopranos. Nobody knows. That’s real. Not everybody gets it all wrapped up with a bow. We just kind of went for it.

That final scene, with Becca in the elevator, was beautiful. The entire final series of shots was gorgeous.

That last series of shots, I have to give full credit to Roger Kumbel, who directed the episode, who had such a beautiful vision for how it could look. It was also such a beautiful bookend to the pilot, which was shot by Michael Trim. He established the whole look of the show. We had a wonderful DP, too. The combined genius of all these people and all the artistry that went into creating those shots takes my breath away. I’ve seen it 50 times, and I still tear up. She’s so desperate, and so sad, and so alone.

There are also a lot of confessions that leave a lot of storylines unresolved in this season. To what end? Why leave so much unanswered?

The greatest seasons of television are ones that just drop in on a day—a day in the life. You stick with it as long as you do, and then you drop out just as abruptly. To me, that’s storytelling. That’s a mirror up to what really happens in a given lifetime. It starts abruptly and gets to its end somewhat abruptly. From a metaphorical standpoint, I loved the fact that all these puzzles are unsolved. It’s very rare in life that puzzles just get solved, and then you’re just done with them. We are very committed to portraying all these relationships as authentically as we can, but what’s authentic is the mess of life. We never try to wrap up anything too neatly with a bow, because that doesn’t feel real.

I love when Jamie goes to his dad, feeling like, “I’ve done something so unforgivable, and he’s never going to forgive me,” and then he goes and makes his confession to Lolly because that’s the only place he can turn. He figures, “I’ve made such a horrible mess, and this is the girl that I love. I just need to go tell her that I love her. If I can do that, then my life has not been a total waste.” It’s actually a very hopeful gesture. She says it back to him, but she says, “I love you. I mean, I hate you. I love you, but I hate you.” Jamie has reached his rock-bottom at that moment. That’s the first thing that might bring him back up.

Jamie realizes he

Following her fight with Lolly, Becca draws the conclusion that she has come back to save her relationship with Lolly. Is Becca reliable enough as a narrator that I should believe that?

I think the fact that she believes it makes it so, because she is our point of view. Whether it is true, whether there is a giant puppet master in the sky, which, I guess is me …

Yes!!! It IS you … you are the all-knowing creator in this sense.

[laughs] Yes, I guess so. But this is what is so interesting, generally, about the philosophy of the show and the great conundrum of being alive. Is this all just a vivid dream? Is this all just happening in our imagination? Does this world really exist? These are really big questions, and Becca has been searching desperately for an answer, while obviously living out an extraordinary experience. She has no way of knowing if it’s real, or if, as Lolly says, it’s “just some crazy dream.”

I think Becca is a reliable narrator insofar as she is recalling events to the best of her knowledge. Whether or not this is “the reason this is all happening” is something that could potentially be explained further down the road. We have always had in our mind a “bigger picture.”

Do you feel like you have to justify Becca and Kevin to the audience?

In Becca’s moment of truth in the end of the episode, she’s almost gotten away with it. She has Lolly’s blessing. In her mind, she thinks, “Lolly will never know. Kevin will never know. I’ve done the right thing in terms of what everyone can see. I’ve been honest with my friend. I’ve been honest with this guy. It’s all aboveboard.”

Kevin and Becca decide to be together on Hindsight

You never think that one thing is going to give you away. For Becca it was the apricot jam, and Lolly just puts it all together. It’s not like Becca is maliciously trying to get away with something. It’s quite the opposite. She’s trying to protect everyone around her. She’s trying to do the right thing and follow her heart, which has been the conundrum for her all season.

It’s very hard for her to do both. In most instances, she’s chosen to do the right thing, but in this instance, she is saying, “You know what? I think I can do both.” It’s not like she is trying to be malicious. She’s trying to work with what she’s got and figure out if there is a way to have it all.

I was surprised at Lolly’s anger at Becca, after Lolly’s realization. Help me understand why she was so upset.

Lolly’s indignation is righteous. I think she is justifiably furious with Becca for what Becca has done to her in the future. In Lolly’s mind, all along, Becca has been forcing her to acknowledge that the other timeline is an absolute reality, that everything just happened in a parallel universe.

Lolly thinks, “I’m on board, but if you want me to be on board, then I’m on board for everything. You can’t just pick and choose. If you say you did this thing, then that happened. You have to be held accountable for it. You can’t say it’s pretend now, because then everything is pretend. Then everything that has happened in the last couple of months is bullshit. You asked me to come on board then you tell me to look the other way for this one thing, which is THE thing.”

Lolly has to decide what to do about Becca on Hindsight

This has been an extremely stressful experience for Lolly, even though it doesn’t come across that way. Lolly is so good-natured, and she has her wacky persona, but underneath, it’s probably been eating away at her.

Take away the time-travel component, take away all of it. If your best friend made out with the guy you like, then you’d be really pissed. You might bury it. You might say, “No, it’s fine. I want to be a cool friend and move on.” But it eats away at you. It can come back to bite you.

Becca tries to make it right with Lolly on Hindsight

Are you building infrastructure for season two? Do we have news about a season two?

We don’t have news yet about season two, but we definitely have a big plan, which we dearly hope we’ll have a chance to implement. The big question that has been outstanding throughout season one has been: “What is the mythology behind all this? How did it happen, and why?” These are questions we have every intention of answering. I think the most interesting television shows are the ones that build from season to season. That feels like modern television. Shows like True Detective or American Horror Story continually surprise you. I find those shows so exciting and so dynamic to watch. Those have been very inspiring to us, as we fabricate our ideas for continuing to tell the story.

Fox loves for us to speculate, so let’s do a little predicting. What do you think is going to happen in season two? What’s Becca’s purpose? Let’s discuss!

TV Families | EW.com
Mark Harris
February 23, 1990 AT 05:00 AM EST

The Bradys are back, with a passel of 90’s hassles. Do they represent the typical American Family? Did they ever? Who does? Stare and compare!

Kind Of Family
TheBradyBunch 1969-74: Blended
The Bradys 1990-: Enormous
Married…With Children 1987-: Postnuclear
Thirtysomething 1987-: Extended
The Flintstones 1960-66: Modern Stone Age

Family Pet
The Brady Bunch: Tiger
The Bradys: Alice
Married…With Children: Buck
Thirtysomething: Grendel
The Flintstones: Dino

Typical Guest Star
The Brady Bunch: Davey Jones
The Bradys: There’s no room
Married…With Children: Sam Kinison
Thirtysomething: Carly Simon
The Flintstones: Ann Margrock

Expression Of Joy
The Brady Bunch: Groovy!
The Bradys: Ritual hugging
Married…With Children: ”Oh, great.”
Thirtysomething: ”Of course I’m happy for you. Really. But what about me? Why does it always have to be about you?
The Flintstones: ”Yabba-dabba doo

Expression Of Rage

The Brady Bunch: ”Hmmm…”
The Bradys: ”If you back away from something you really want, then you’re a quitter!” (the angriest any Brady has ever been)
Married…With Children: ”Aaagh, God, take me from this miserable life!”
Thirtysomething: ”I’m not angry, OK?”
The Flintstones: ”Willllmaaaa!”

Typical Problem
The Brady Bunch: Marcia and her rival both want to be the prom queen.
The Bradys: Bobby gets paralyzed.
Married…With Children: Al doesn’t buy his family Christmas presents.
Thirtysomething: Nancy gets cancer.
The Flintstones: Fred and Barney are staying out too late.

Typical Solution
The Brady Bunch: The prom committee decides to have two queens.
The Bradys: Bobby gets married.
Married…With Children: They hate him.
Thirtysomething: If only we knew…
The Flintstones: Wilma and Betty decide to follow them.

House Style
The Brady Bunch: Conservative but mod, circa ’69
The Bradys: Conservative but mod, circa ’90
Married…With Children: Roach motel
Thirtysomething: Enviable
The Flintstones: Suburban cave

Clothing Style
The Brady Bunch: Early Osmonds
The Bradys: Made in the USA
Married…With Children: Flammable fabrics
Thirtysomething: Eclectic earth tones; nice ties
The Flintstones: One-piece

Most Annoying Character
The Brady Bunch: Alice’s cousin Emma, the substitute housekeeper (too strict)
The Bradys: Marcia’s husband, Wally (chronically unemployable)
Married…With Children: Steve (supercilious)
Thirtysomething: Ellyn (goes through Hope’s drawers, babbles, changes hairstyle every other week, generally mistreats her friends)
The Flintstones: Mr. Slate (bossy)

Attitude Toward Sex
The Brady Bunch: Never heard of it
The Bradys: Omigod — even Cindy does it!
Married…With Children: Peg: Yes. Al: No.
Thirtysomething: They didn’t get all those kids by accident.
The Flintstones: Prehistoric

How Spouses Fight
The Brady Bunch: They don’t.
The Bradys: Infrequently, but it happens
Married…With Children: Tooth and nail
Thirtysomething: They stop talking
The Flintstones: Fred and Barney go bowling while Wilma and Betty max out their charge cards.

How Kids Get Into Trouble
The Brady Bunch: Greg takes a puff of a cigarette.
The Bradys: Carol’s grandson steals her business cards and sticks them in the spokes of Bobby’s wheelchair.
Married…With Children: By committing felonies
Thirtysomething: Ethan plays with a forbidden toy rocket.
The Flintstones: They don’t.

How They’re Punished

The Brady Bunch: ”It’s not what you did, honey — it’s that you couldn’t come to us.”
The Bradys ”Next time, ask.”
Married…With Children: By the authorities
Thirtysomething: It blows up in his face.
The Flintstones: They’re not.

What Family Does For Fun
The Brady Bunch: Takes special three-part vacations to Hawaii and the Grand Canyon
The Bradys: Has flashbacks
Married…With Children: Exchanges insults
Thirtysomething: Talks
The Flintstones: Attends showings of The Monster at the Bedrock Drive-In

Unsolved Mysteries
The Brady Bunch: How exactly did Carol’s first husband and Mike’s first wife die?
The Bradys: What’s with Marcia’s new face and Bobby’s blonde hair
Married…With Children: What kind of hair spray does Peg use?
Thirtysomething: Why did Nancy take Elliot back? What do Gary and Susanna see in each other?
The Flintstones: How does Barney’s shirt stay on if he has no shoulders? Where do Fred and Wilma plug in their TV?

Worst Behavior
The Brady Bunch: The Brady children once made Alice feel under-appreciated.

The Bradys: Marcia’s son Mickey watches Bobby’s car-crash tape for fun.
Married…With Children: The Bundy’s kill their neighbor’s dog.
Thirtysomething: Elliot has an affair and talks about it.
The Flintstones: Characters don’t wear under-clothes.

Best Reason To Watch
The Brady Bunch: This is what life should be.
The Bradys: They’re all grown-ups now!
Married…With Children: Terry Rakolta hates it.
Thirtysomething (Tie) This is your life. This isn’t your life.
The Flintstones: This is what life might have been.

Best Reason Not To Watch
The Brady Bunch: Blurred vision from rerun overdoses.
The Bradys: You’re all grown-ups now.
Married…With Children: She has a point.
Thirtysomething: After a while, you think it’s real.
The Flintstones: The Simpsons

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Since the Stones themselves have turned into a joke, we’ll gladly take the Delta 72. Their earlier recordings were inspired by hard-driving ’60s soul, but now with <strong>000</strong> these Philly boys look back to the flamboyantly sweaty boogie Jagger & Co. played at their ’70s peak — and completely rejuvenate it. 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